Episode 94: Innovating Education with Mimosa Jones Tunney of The School House

Mimosa Jones Tunney, founder & president of the American Emergent Curriculum (AEC) and The School House, is a former political speech and Hollywood television writer who wrote scripts for Oprah and HBO. It was a collaboration with Aaron Sorkin that eventually led her down the path of researching American education, which made her realize she needed to improve our system.

Drawing from her background in policy, Jones Tunney set out to fix the education system by starting the American Emergent Curriculum (AEC), which is curriculum that leverages the science of human learning through proven pedagogical research. The curriculum has been implemented through a NY-based brick-and-mortar school called The School House and an online program called, TSH Anywhere, which has shown to successfully resolve all the current education system’s issues.

In this episode, Jones Tunney tells how one goes from Hollywood script-writing to starting her own school, and we get deep into how to modernize education. Again, why are we still using textbooks?

 

Topics Discussed:

  • Seeing the education system’s faults while working as a script writer

  • The mission to show parents and communities that they can start their own schools

  • Providing a good education to our citizens is a civic duty

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Welcome to Educator Forever, where we empower teachers to innovate education. Join us each week to hear stories of teachers expanding their impacts beyond the classroom and explore ways to reimagine teaching and learning.

Mimosa Jones Tunney is the founder and president of the American emergent curriculum and the school house. She is a former political speech and Hollywood television writer, seasoned entrepreneur and avid philanthropist who has left an indelible mark on both the entertainment and education sectors. Her early successes in television penning scripts for Oprah and HBO and collaborating with industry giants like Aaron Sorkin eventually led her down the path of researching American education for a project. Delving into the Forgotten collaboration between SS McClure and Dr. Maria Montessori to reform American education. Mimosa recognized that the education system had been untouched for nearly 100 years and that there was dire need for innovation. Drawing from her background and policy Mimosa set out to revolutionize education by founding and developing the American emergent curriculum, a groundbreaking curriculum leveraging the science of human learning through proven pedagogical research. The curriculum has been implemented through a New York based brick and mortar school called the schoolhouse, and an online program called TSH anywhere, which is shown to successfully resolve the current education systems issues. Welcome Mimosa. So glad to have you here.

Mimosa Jones Tunney

Thank you so much, Lily. It's really great to be with you today.

Lily Jones

Wonderful, well, I know that you have a unique journey to ending up in education. So I would love for you to take us through your professional journey and how you ended up working in education.

Mimosa Jones Tunney

Oh absolutely. I'd love to share that. So I started as a writer, I was a political speechwriter for many years, started on the hill and then worked for the governor of Nevada for many years. And that segwayed into time working in Hollywood as a screenwriter and TV screenwriter. And during that time, I worked for Aaron Sorkin, I developed with Tom Hanks and HBO and there was one particular project I was working on with Oprah on HBO and it was the story of Ida Tarbell, who, by all accounts is the woman responsible for creating investigative journalism. And her boss was Sam McClure, one of the most prolific publishers in the United States at the time, this was around the turn of the last century. And it came to find out through my research, I was one of those writers and researchers that really went to the crux of what I was talking about. And so I found myself in the Library of Congress with white gloves handling original letters from Alexander Graham Bell. And here I was talking about publishing and Ida Tarbell. But here in front of me, were all of these letters and papers about our education system, and how tragic it was. And here we were, you know, I'm looking at these papers from 1906 1909 1913. And how Sam mccluer and Alexander Graham Bell conspired to bring in a positive way, Dr. Montessori to the United States. And she then came here in 1913. And had a great speaking tour here for those two years. It was three weeks and then she, of course, worked back and forth for two years when she came back in 1915. And Montessori was just about to take hold when World War One happened. And so there was this whole trajectory that was laid out for me and I started going down the road of not only Dr. Montessori, but Pestalozzi and Piaget and, and more contemporary pedagogical scientists like Gardener, and I just had my son, my first son. And so all of this came together in a confluence of what are we doing, and why haven't we figured it out? Yeah, so it was both right, it was both historical. And it was also sort of awe inspiring. And I thought, you know, if, if we don't do something who's going to do it, and I was a big fan of, you know, Ken Robinson and all and Tony Wagner and all of these great thinkers who were writing books and talking about how we should change education. And yet I thought, even though I was a professional writer, I couldn't just write about it, Lily, I had to build the model, so that people would understand what a new American school would look like, some 120 years later. And that's where I'm sitting here now in our training center. Amazing

Lily Jones

I love that I so relate to many of what you shared you know, I started my career as a kindergarten and first grade teacher and had a very idealistic view of what it was going to be like having read many of the people you just mentioned and be like, I'm gonna do this like here I go, and then found all the things stopping me and many other amazing colleagues of mine and it just that even when teachers have the best intentions and amazing you know, education about all these great thinker's the implementation can be stopped by so much bureaucracy and outdated thinking. And you know, it's so hard to just move the needle a little bit. So I love that you decided to start something new, you know, and to see what it would be like. And so tell us a little bit about the schoolhouse and American emergent curriculum.

Mimosa Jones Tunney

So that was the start of the journey. And the goal was kind of simple. It was more of a question, what if we took everything we knew about how children learn, and combined it with everything we love about American traditional school. And so what I had found on this 12 year journey now, is that we had a lot of alternative options. We had Waldorf and Montessori and Reggio and, you know, I'm trained in two of the three of those to have three of those. And we had private schools and parochial and public schools. And there is there are nuggets of gold in each of those things. But the question was, here we are in America, and America is this great melting pot, or this great place for innovating new ideas, and collecting ideas, perhaps from all around the world to create something new. And so that was the question. And the goal became to build the best elementary school in the United States of America, which I think we have over the last five years. And it started with a curriculum. So the American emergent curriculum was born seven years ago. And that was an amalgamation or a collection of a couple of things. First, it was what can we take out of Montessori, what can we take out of ratio? What can we take out of private school? What can we take out of public school, for instance, the spirit weeks, and the civics and all the things that we grew up with and love the sports. And we brought it together over this very long period of time to make sure all the pedagogies worked well with one another. And then we did three other things. We added standards, because I believe third graders should be able to measure, I believe there should be some measure of achievement, we just do it the wrong way. And we do too much of it in this country, for the child to even get a breath. So everything that the American emergent curriculum lays out these beautiful lessons, and they're interesting and intriguing. And they have and they're up to date. That's the second thing. So not only are we aligned to standards, but they are, all of these lessons are rewritten each year. So take that versus a 15 year old textbook that is dead on arrival, versus this beautiful living document that is handed to the educator that says, Okay, we're going to be learning about Mexico. Today, we're going to learn about Mexico from its geological formation. We're gonna learn about Mexico in terms of its language, and food and culture. And also all of the reading and writing and math we need to do at this time is going to be connected to Mexico. So they have this beautiful, holistic view of what these lessons are. Our sessions are six weeks long, not one week long. So educators can really deep dive. And the third thing I want to mention, in addition to all of this work that we did on the AC was that we aligned it to development stages. And this is so huge, I've yet to find one curriculum in the United States. And I really would challenge anyone to show me a full fledge curriculum program like this, you know, there's just bits and pieces everywhere that are allowed that is aligned to development stages. And so we know that a four year old, for instance, is very focused on language acquisition movement, the senses and order. Whereas if I'm teaching a nine year old in our school, they don't care about order. They care about imagination. They care about storytelling, not so much language acquisition, but the why what what what is the root word of what is the root of the word Pluto? Right? And so the curriculum is aligned to that. And that makes a tremendous difference in the child's life because you're sort of hitting the head right where you need to. And so this curriculum was brought into a school that we found six years ago, it was a religious school that was closing. And I said to my husband, I think we should start a school and he said, Absolutely not. But I can barely handle the responsibility of our two children. We had two sons by that time. And I said to him, but listen, I've done the last six years of research on the curriculum, we have these phenomenal educators who are ready to take this This step with us, we there is no way we're going to do any worse than what's out there. And that was the challenge for a fellow entrepreneur. And so we renovated this building this, you know, we have 150 students, we've had a waitlist. Since we opened, we're on two acres. And it's been taking this curriculum and then putting it in a practicum over the last five years, and Lily trying to check every box and say, Okay, we're not calling administration administration, we're calling it headquarters. We're making sure educators skip to work every day, we're doing really fun peds that are more Tony Robbins than you know, taking lists and pulling them apart. And that's something we're so proud of here. Because the goal was to build the model for other communities. And we knew the only way to truly change school in this country would be for communities to step up and start taking charge. Yes,

Lily Jones

that's so powerful. And I'm so excited to hear about all these different parts. So I went many years ago, I got my graduate degree in developmental Teacher Education, which was a fantastic Berkeley, they don't have like morphed into something a little more traditional. Now, I'm sure it's still great. But I feel so lucky that that's where I started my education career, really, in the world of developmental psychology. And thinking about what kids can do at different ages, I think is, like you said, it's very ignored, you know, or it's D prioritized. And so I think that you're putting that to the forefront like really is probably one of the many keys to your success, and why things resonate. And then I think, you know, now I'm a curriculum developer, and we have a curriculum agency side of our business. And I love that you're focusing on the curriculum, you know, that it comes from this and that it comes from these really engaging, curiosity driven explorations. And my very favorite part of teaching was creating those, you know, and I remember doing breads around the world of units with my first graders where we learned about breads from all the different countries, and it was connected to geography and science and math and all the things and it's so engaging not only for kids, but for teachers. So I think having that really authentic learning experience is good for everybody. And like, who doesn't want to do that? Like, I'm like, I want to do that, you know, to help Mexico like, can I come? That's

Mimosa Jones Tunney

right. And, you know, we found to that point, one of the thing because we spend a lot of we've 36, educators here, and we spend a lot of time with them, and and we're all on this beautiful collected team, right? There's no hierarchy. It's lateral, right? We're helping everybody succeed. We only have two rules to work here. And that's no politics, no gossip. And we've enforced those rules for the last five years, and teachers are so appreciative of that. But back to the curriculum, what they'll say year in and year out at the end of the year, because it is constructed so that at the end of the year, everything falls into place, like this beautiful story. They are always learning something. And so when they get these lessons, you know, first of all, everything is done for them. Right? I we have the on the development side, we've pulled the beautiful photographs, we've pulled the facts, we've done all of these things. So when they open the lesson, they're able to just add their creativity to it, you know, because educators do so much and I think that's something most of America doesn't understand. They're, they're running recess. They're they're coaching the basketball team. They're dealing with behavioral issues. Because sometimes parents don't don't step up. They're having conference calls. They're, they're, you know, interacting in meetings with with headquarters. And so the more that we can give them to say, Here, here's, here's this beautiful thing you can pull from today. And we recently did in the spring, a lesson on Panama. And it was the most phenomenal lesson because the Isthmus of Panama it closing and creating Panama, and separating the two seas actually dramatically affected human evolution. And so the children all sat there, so excited about this piece of information, but so did the educators. So did I, you know, here's something that no one really talks about. And there are 100 of those things every year, which makes it just very joyful for the educator. And

Lily Jones

I think that so much of what's missing in many traditional schools, for teachers and for students is that joy and excitement. And I think, you know, designing curriculum, that's what I love the most is that I'm always learning just like you said, with your teachers, you know, I'm always like researching something and getting excited about videos. I could bring in or do all these things. And so I think that what you're doing is really powerful because not only providing this base to teachers, that's obviously very Engaging in high quality, but also giving them creative freedom that like even me, as a curriculum developer can say no curriculum out there is going to work as is for all students, and that there always has to be the teacher who's really the magic maker of like taking what is there, and translating it to their unique students. So and so I love that you're also honoring that creativity within teachers, while supporting them with some really high quality based materials. Yes,

Mimosa Jones Tunney

yes, exactly. Well put.

Lily Jones

Thank you. So I know we kind of touched on this as you were going through kind of the history. But really thinking about what you think needs to change in traditional American public schools, what would you say are your big things you would change if you could?

Mimosa Jones Tunney

So, I think we have to recognize that the factory system we have today did its job for that time period. You know, we were talking about children who were six years old in tenement factories, sewing dresses for 12 hours. So you have to really understand I'm a historian, I love American history, you have to understand what was happening to children at that time for them to actually have an opportunity to go to school, at the beginning of the last century was a positive thing. Certainly the schoolhouses 30 or 40 years before that time, were incredibly positive, even though they were based mostly on religion and reading of the Bible. So we have to put that aside, yes, we have a factory system. And it worked for a while, since the 1960s, late 60s, early 70s, we changed from a factory economy to a creative economy. And you saw these things changing in the 70s 80s and 90s, early 2000s. And that's where you saw the denigration of our public school system because it wasn't serving the population anymore. And not only did we know it as adults, the kids know it, because they're coming to school. And realizing that outside of school, there are all these beautiful creative opportunities. And yet, when they come into school, there are bells and desks. And they're sitting in rows, and there's a teacher at the front of the classroom. And not only that, that's just structural, but they're using textbooks sometimes that are 510 15 years old. I don't know anyone. I don't know why anyone would use a textbook today. If you have a brilliant creative curriculum writer or a collective of writers, as we do here, you are pulling from the most interesting information that is being unraveled by scientists every day. And if you look, I'm a prolific reader, I, you know, my personal libraries over 4000 books. And so to think I look at a textbook and fall asleep. So we're using these textbooks, we're using this these workbooks, we're using one size fit all, it is not that hard to step out of one size fits all. You need a little bit of teacher training, you need a good curriculum, and you need to have faith in the child. And you need to add things like critical thinking, problem solving, the ability, for instance, to start here at the schoolhouse children as young as kindergarten start their own companies. We teach them about marketing, we teach them about what would you like to sell one year, they came up with edible bubbles, you know, we blow you could eat them. And they tasted like fairies, you know? Yes, I'm Yeah, amazing. And they go through the process of taking out a loan. And how much money are they going to make? Do they want to give it to a nonprofit, they run a farm stand here every Thursday that makes about $1,200 In two weeks, and they gather the eggs from our farm. They understand seed to farm seed to market, how money works customer service. So all of these things that are very relevant in 2024 need to be integrated into the public schools in order for schools to have success. And here is the tipping point for me. We are we test twice a year we use the ARB private school test, we test going in and we test coming out. That's it. And I'll tell you something about Socratic quizzing in a minute. We test those those two times a year. This year, our children were two times the national average, two times. So you can't tell me Oh, we add all of these things. And then we're going to lose the ability to nail tests Absolutely not. Children are so open and ready to learn that if you present it in the right way, they will take on almost any challenge. And instead of giving traditional quizzes, we do something called Socratic quizzing, which means that the children in the classroom create the quizzes. So think about that in terms of learning, right? They've they they need to know the information to create the quiz. Then they take a quiz by their peers, and then they go back and they correct their own quiz that has three levels of learning instead of just one rote memorization plane of learning. So all of these things that I'm talking about, need to be brought into our public school system. But I sort of have a different view of what that looks like. And for me, that looks like communities around this country, starting their own schools. While I love the idea of public school, I went to public school. And I'm not just going to say public, let's say traditional, because there are plenty of private schools here that you get charged $40,000 a year, and they're not performing the way that they need to. And they're still entrenched in the Santa diluvian system. But I really believe the new American school comes out of communities. And it comes out of the 300,000 educators who have left teaching in the last four years, frustrated parents, community leaders who can come together. And using our tools. We have a very beautiful and prolific website that we've set up on how to do this, how do you live in a town like Des Moines, Iowa and decide enough's enough, I want to go back to teaching, but I don't want to be in any of the environments that I was once in, or I'm a parent who either has to homeschool, but maybe I really want to have them in a school environment. The whole purpose of this mission, this nonprofit mission, is to say you can do it, you can start your own school, and you could use the best curriculum to do it. And you could have community support, and you don't need to be afraid of doing it anymore. So yes, well, there'll be some of these changes in traditional school, maybe, but I don't think that's the fastest way to reach the child. And that's why we're all here. Right? Hmm. Yeah, it's

Lily Jones

so powerful. I mean, I really see it as like breathing life, and new possibilities into education. And I think, I mean, I have so many things to say about what you just shared. But going back to that test taking, right, like when I teach so I teach this curriculum Foundations program, we have an advanced program for teachers who want to move into curriculum design. And so much of what we talk about is the bigger why, like, why are we teaching these things? And why are we teaching them this way, and really unraveling and unpacking some of the things that we've internalized from working in a, in my opinion, dysfunctional education system. And so really going back to the bigger why it's so powerful to hear, like, I don't think you were teaching to the test, right? Like they were having these really powerful learning opportunities and examples of adults who are lifelong learners and this dynamic experience. And then the end result is like, Sure, sidenote, they do two times better on the test. Like, that goes back to the bigger why, right? Like, it's like, they're still learning it, but because of this dynamic learning experience, and because they're engaged, and because they have agency and all the things. And so I think that we get so stuck on these things in the traditional public school system that have been, you know, the areas of focus testing, you know, that we have to have these certain grades or achievement on these tests and things like that, and that there are so many ways to get there. And it's really seeing all these possibilities. And so I think that when you talk about like the teachers coming in and creating this dynamic curriculum, and then being lifelong learners, and like not having the textbook, that's where it's gonna be, it's like comes in the the whole, like life, like a textbook is so ridiculous, because it's like a snapshot in time of what we thought we knew kind of condensed and boil down. And really. So it's like you're saying of revamping the curriculum every year and thinking about, there are brilliant people all over the world doing amazing things. Like let's bring it in what have we learned about this in the past year? What are what are people thinking right now? And so this whole sense of like being more dynamic?

Mimosa Jones Tunney

That's why we call it the American emergent curriculum, because it's emergent, right? I just read this fantastic book called notes on complexity. And it was talking about how systems whether you are a group of people in the form of a teacher, a teaching group, sorry, or if you are a group of students, or if you are colleagues working on a project, it the whole becomes greater than the sum of its parts. And that is the emergence that's the emergent part of this curriculum. Because we didn't know this was a discovery process for the last five years. We we didn't know that. Listen, being trained in all of these pedagogical sciences. This should work right when we went into it. But what we didn't know is how big it was going to become. We didn't know children were going to call in on snow days and when Want to come to school? We didn't know that children were going to be we're going to emulate us as a team. So specifically, so we never actually sit down and say, okay, you know, look people in the eye when you speak and say hello in the hallway. But all 36 of us do that every day. And we give out hugs, and we, we promote children in a way that isn't about getting a grade or doing something wrong, but recognizing that they are working on the most important thing a child has to do, and that is to create the adult human being. And so there's no fault, there's no bad, there's no good, there is just the process of learning. That's why think grades in elementary school, are so old fashioned and should be omitted immediately. Because what are you saying that when you're three, and you're just first deciding how to do a science experiment, you've never really worked with the three states of matter in this in this current environment, that you're going to be graded on that when you're just trying to figure it out? I think it's one of the worst things we do to children, and certainly when they get more cerebral 12 1314. Okay, that's a completely different development stage. But like you said, they're all of these things. There's so many things that we don't do, right. That's why I feel it would be very difficult to undo them in the traditional system. And that we have to empower ourselves to say, Wait, there's an old building, or there's a room or I know, 10 parents, you can join me in this. And let me tell you, we've done all the work for the nation, it's pulled years of work, right, so that people can just pick up and make this choice.

Lily Jones

Yes, fantastic. And so thinking about a lot of the people listening are likely teachers who are thinking about doing something else, you know, for a variety of reasons. And so for those people, you know, maybe they're interested in starting a school like yours, what advice would you give them, I know you have resources for them to support them. But any advice you could give.

Mimosa Jones Tunney

So I would do wait first, before I say anything, I would say, understand that you can do it. You are the educator, you are the teacher, there is no one in this process of education. Aside from the child, that is more important than you when I first started to to have educators as my colleagues, they are the kindest, most creative, most organized they ever met met a planner that they didn't love. They they have the patience of a collection of saints, not just one saint, and they truly love their profession. And I would argue how many people do you know in this country that actually fall into that bucket? They are a rarified beautiful collection of human beings. So know if you're an educator out there, you can do this. Now the other thing that I noticed about educators is they don't always like to take risks. And so they want to know, they want to know what the plan is going to be. And I appreciate that I'm the entrepreneur taking the risk a little bit more before I became an educator. And so if you first step is go to the schoolhouse.org. Just look at what we've built. Just look at what has unfolded, and picture this school, in your town, on your street, in your city. And then you can go to TSH anywhere, so the schoolhouse anywhere, but it's TSH anywhere.org and click on micro school as an educator, and we lay out for you what you need to do to start your micro school it is we just opened one last year in or that community did in Vero Beach, Florida. It started with 12 children. Now it's at 65 children. Now the educators there are actually making more money than they ever could have imagined. And of course, you want to turn over your tuition to an educator, because they're going to be doing right by the child. And that's not always true and admin. And so the fact that we've started the parent group as a nonprofit means that we're on we're the good guys. We're on the good side of getting this thing moving in this country to really develop a whole new way of educating children by empowering you the educator. And forget forget that bartending job or that barista job you need to be doing this don't waste those master's degrees and don't waste that that that love and creativity and organization that you have.

Lily Jones

It's so possible. I mean, I think that's from Allah by work with teachers. I completely agree. You know, teachers are completely amazing education experts, who I think one of the greatest tragedies are made to feel like they're not good And so many teachers go through our education system and kind of internalize this idea that they're quote, unquote, just a teacher. And so then when they have these ideas of like, they want to do something else, they feel overwhelmed. And so I love that you started with the possibility, like, it is absolutely possible. If anyone should do this, it should be teachers. And so really leaning into that, and definitely, yeah, check out my most resources.

Mimosa Jones Tunney

That's right. And also, not only is it possible, but I think we all have a civic duty to do this, you know, we, I have not made $1 of this project in six years, you know, and in fact, our family has donated many dollars to this endeavor. But that's because I believe it's my civic duty, I am not going to sit back and watch the news, whatever channel you're watching, and look at the degradation of this country, particularly because I started on Capitol Hill, I started going to Washington with this great idea that I was going to change the world like we all do. And I am though, but in a very different way, in a way that is much more grassroots. And so I didn't want to complain anymore about what I saw on on the news, I wanted to say, as we all know, this will be music to your ears literally, that if we want to change anything in this country, we have to change zero to 12. Right. So anyone is an educator knows that by 12 years old, we're done, hang it up, you're now going into adolescence, and you're going to be an adult, and your character, your morality, your base of learning have all been solidified in the foundation of who you are as a human being. So forget, and I appreciate people give money to Alzheimer's and cancer research and everything else. But if we put all the money into zero to 12, if we took something like the American emergent curriculum, or built school houses around the country, and again, not top down from you out there who are listening, we would make radical changes in this country in 10 years, because those eight year olds would be 18. And it's in fact, the fastest way, I really know how to do it. And so, you know, you said empowering the educator, we made sure that every single thing is available to you. We are We are We also have 300 films online. So if you don't quite know how to teach this particular way that's in the curriculum, there's a six minute film for it. We wanted to make sure that anybody taking this journey was not going to be out there alone, but was going to have what we didn't have, which was which is a community when you're starting something like this.

Lily Jones

Fantastic. Yes, it's so powerful to have the resources because I think that's like overcomes if you think about oh, it might be possible. But how do I do it? There, there are many steps. And so I think making it public and making it available to folks is so helpful. And my last question for you is just thinking about your own journey, you know, starting the school, starting with curriculum, starting this movement, what have you learned about yourself through the process?

Mimosa Jones Tunney

Wow, that would definitely take another hour, let me tell you, I have learned, I have learned the things we think matter don't matter. I have walked every red carpet. You know, I have been in the halls of power. I have written speeches and and been close colleagues of some of the most powerful people. And that all is just a little bit of nonsense. Because at the end of the day, pedagogical science, the idea and the science of how children learn how humans learn to watch that unfold in front of you every day, is life changing. It's actually why you know, this, I don't need to tell you, but it's it's why teachers go to work for $45,000 a year, which in this economy, you know, barely buys you gas. It's that that's why because when you walk into a room, these people are really happy to see you. We are excited to learn from you. They their minds are so open and they're and they trust you. And they want you to be there for them. And I have to tell you without getting emotional, I sometimes do that. What keeps me up at night, is that we have 150 children here at capacity. There are millions of children that are not getting this and we only have zero to 12. See, that's the thing that I think a lot of people don't understand. We don't have time to waste in this mission. And I'm you know, I'm so grateful that there's so many people around me and around you and around the country. I hope we all band together and say it's a new American school. That that's the answer for it. And that's the thing I have aren't the most is that this is the best place to be. This is the most grounding place to be. And you can do it. You can you can set your sights on something that seems absolutely impossible. Put the right people around you and you can make it happen. So powerful. Yeah, it's like intentionally creating the future. And I love I truly love what you're doing.

Lily Jones

Thank you so much for coming on the show. We'll put all the links to where folks can connect with you and find out more down below in the show notes. But thank you again mimosa.

Mimosa Jones Tunney

Thank you so much Lily. Thanks for doing what you're doing every day and forgiving people like myself the opportunity to reach more people. I really appreciate it.

Lily Jones

Truly my pleasure.

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