Episode 14: Teaching ELA Online with Keena Melville of Keen Education
Life is a journey and each path you take leads you down a different road, which eventually leads you to right where you’re supposed to be. My guest on today’s episode, Keena Melville, is a prime example of this. The journey she’s taken to starting her own online teaching business, Keen Education, was a winding road. Keena shares her journey and how each experience impacted her business.
After transferring to several different schools, Keena finally landed at a school that brought in different specialists to the classroom and lessons. That experience impacted the foundation for her future business: personalized instruction utilizing adapted novels. However, it wasn’t until Covid that she decided to take the leap to start her online teaching business, which although just beginning, is already thriving.
Like every business owner, Keena has overcome obstacles and fear, but has seen more positives and a direct impact on her students. Establishing her online teaching business might not be where it is today, if it wasn’t for the different paths she took along her educational journey.
Topics Discussed:
Keena shares her journey in education and how it landed her in the role she’s in today
Tips for making online learning engaging for all individual students
What Keena has learned from starting her own business
How the Educator Forever network community helped Keena persevere with her business
Why reflection is key to the development and understanding your next steps in business or learning as a student
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Episode 3, Building an Online Teaching Business with Allison WIlliams of Tutor Tots Online
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Meet Keena Melville
Keena is an ELA teacher for struggling readers, a parent and teacher coach, and a curriculum writer. Keena specializes in autism and the barriers to reading comprehension common among this population. She worked at a school for students with autism for 8 years while she earned her Ph.D. in Literacy in 2022. In August 2022, Keena left the traditional classroom and opened Keen Education. Keen Education is a virtual tutoring site. Each of her students is different and needs targeted, intentional instruction.
The key to the success of her students has a lot to do with relationships, personalized instruction, building on interests, and humor! We know emotions help working memory. When a child feels emotions and is hooked on the lesson, they are engaged — which increases the chances of it sticking.
Keena offers a variety of services and packages, including 1:1 tutoring and group classes; lesson plans for parents and / or teachers to reinforce throughout the week; and bimonthly consultations.
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Read the transcript for this episode:
Lily
Keena Melville is an English Language Arts teacher for struggling readers, a parent teacher coach and a curriculum writer. Keena specializes in autism and the barriers to reading comprehension common among this population. She worked in a school for students with autism for eight years while she earned her PhD in literacy in 2022.
Lily
In August 2022 Keena left the traditional classroom and opened Keen Education, which is a virtual tutoring site. Each of her students is different and needs targeted, intentional instruction, which Keena provides wonderfully. Keena offers a variety of services and packages, including one to one tutoring and group classes, lesson plans for parents and teachers to reinforce throughout the week, and by monthly consultations.
Lily
Keena is also a key part of our Educator Forever community. She has taken our Curriculum Development Foundations Program and has been a wonderful member of our Grow Your Education business accelerator.
Lily
Welcome Keena, so glad that you're here with us.
Keena
Aww. Thank you so much, Lily, I am so thrilled to be here today. Thank you for having me.
Lily
You're so welcome. Well, I'm excited to hear more about your journey as an educator and how it got you to the place that you're at today. So if you want to take us back in time, to kind of like how you started out in education and where you are now.
Keena
Perfect. Yes, great question. So I started in education a long time ago, it was about 15 years ago. But I've always been obsessed with with education even before I was studying it. So I went and I got my masters in school counseling. So that's how I started out in education. And while I was getting my masters in school counseling, I was teaching preschool and just fell in love with that whole process.
Keena
I was also interning in different schools in Manhattan and Queens in New York. And yeah, I just loved being in a school I loved the idea of education and social emotional learning. So that's how I started out.
Keena
I eventually, when I graduated with my master's, I became a school counselor. So I was doing that for a few years, I was going to different schools in Manhattan in the Bronx. And eventually I decided that I wanted to move to California. So I moved to California. And I was working in San Francisco for a while. I started out in San Francisco at a school teaching preschool again. And that was amazing. I was there for about four years.
Keena
And then I eventually moved a little bit more north to Marin County, and found a school that I worked in, that was a school for autistic students. And I was there for about eight years. When I worked there, I had various roles. It was a startup school, it was it was really amazing.
Keena
It was an amazing experience. I learned so much. I was doing language arts. I was teaching language arts for all different ages and curriculum development. And I manage some of the summer school content.
Keena
And something that was really cool about that school, which I bring into everything that I'm doing now still is that there were so many different specialists within the building. So I learned to view all of my lessons with just other specialties.
Keena
So like there's I had a lot of collaboration with occupational therapists, MFTs, behavior technicians, and speech language pathologist. So yeah, it was just like a really great learning experience for me. And I received a lot of exposure there. So that was really fantastic.
Keena
And I fell in love with adapting language arts materials for the students that I was working with in that school. So that was the most recent school that I've worked at. And I recently just left there and moved and now I started my own business, and it's really been fantastic. I feel like I've landed in the place I'm supposed to be and, and that's with all your help too Lily.
Lily
Well, it's been a total pleasure to see this journey of yours leaving the classroom. I'm wondering if you could talk about the decision to leave the classroom like was it hard? Was it fraud? Were you just done? How did it go for you?
Keena
Right, it was all of that and more. So I think there were, there was a lot that I loved and a lot that I didn't love with working in a school full time as a teacher. And I think, you know, one of the major things that happened in recent years was COVID. Right? So for me and everybody in education, and in the world, it was like a really critical moment.
Keena
And I think it was a huge springboard for digital development, and distance learning. And that was always something I was interested in, because I was a distance learning student, myself for a program that I was in, and I really loved it. And I know that there were a lot of challenges during that time with education and distance learning. There were also I saw personally, so many magical things about it.
Keena
I think it like forced us to dive into different online platforms and try to like organize and perfect the delivery of lessons. And yeah, I just loved that piece of it. And there was something liberating for me about like working from home and actually being able to prep lessons, yes, and find, like effective ways to deliver them.
Keena
And then I also love the shortened school days at that time. And I think it was, particularly because the students were less stressed, they were in their own environments, and I could prep it was it was like, kind of magical.
Keena
So I was convinced at that time that education was actually going to shift because I thought it was like, I thought it went really well. And I know for a lot of people it didn't. But there were some good things about it.
Keena
But then we went back, you know, to kind of how it was. And for me, that was disappointing because it was I thought, a lot of education today seems to me to be unhealthy for the teacher, yes, sometimes really ineffective and unhealthy for the students in a lot of ways. There's just a lot that needs to be changed.
Keena
And so like for me, I knew I had to leave at that point that like everything was going kind of back to the way it was where I didn't think it was working. And it's nothing particular to the school that I was in. It's just an all of the schools that I've worked in there, like some really great things, and then some things that really need improvement. And I thought that this would have been an impetus to improve so much.
Keena
And it kind of just went back to the way it was. And so that was a that was a big turning point for me. And a big reason why I left. There are so many other reasons too. And I could kind of go on and on. But that was one of the major things that kind of pushed me in the direction that I've always wanted to go in recent years.
Lily
Absolutely. Yeah, I mean, I think for so many people, it was like, a chance to just see that you could be an educator from home. Exactly. But I think why exactly it was teaching before COVID, well before COVID left in 2012. And it just felt like oh my gosh, like, can I work from home as an educator? Like, I really don't think this is possible.
Lily
And then just like you're saying, like all the good things like I started as a parent with my kids, it was a little harder with my son was in kindergarten, like 2021, I guess I don't know, maybe all of 2020. So that was hard. Oh, for sure. My daughter, she was in second grade, I guess for the beginning of COVID second, and then third.
Lily
And it was like very effective, because she would just have an hour or two of school, and then do all of her work and then have the rest of the day to like explore and like fall on other interests and read and play and like climb trees and just get it done in two hours. Totally then like being there the whole school day.
Keena
And then there's time to process it. I sometimes think that with the long school days, there's just not enough time to be you know, and in that being I feel like there's some sort of just rest yes, you could rest your brain and then things settle. You know, there's a lot of education that can settle.
Keena
I found and I think that was obvious to me also, during summer break, whenever there's a break, sometimes kids came back to school, and they seemed to have just really accelerated and I think there's a lot with that free time, with that rest, with their following of the interests and things can like kind of click on their own.
Lily
Absolutely. I know I remember that when I have first grade and it was always like over winter break that kids actually became readers. Right, they weren't stressed about it, and not having all this extra stuff. I think that's like a great point that's vastly under involved in our school system, right society.
Lily
That just having the chance to rest and integrate and reflect and not have it be like and then the next thing and then the next thing and that exactly, is so valuable. Exactly. Yeah. So tell us first off about your business like what is it and how's it going?
Keena
Yeah, so I started Keen Education. And it started out, I mean, it's still starting out and evolving. But I started a few months ago, and it's to a tutoring service for a lot of my students are autistic. And I work a lot with adapting novels.
Keena
I really love to adapt novels and make it more I kind of feel like I translate a story into students strength, you know, if it's hard for a student to grasp the story, for whatever reason, and there's a lot of reasons that a student might not be able to get it the way it is on the paper right there.
Keena
I just tried to individualize my lessons enough, where I am really intuitively trying to pick up on the students, their strengths, their interests, and then kind of like translate the story through that. So it's going really well, I, I have a lot of one on one students that I'm tutoring, I have also some online classes where there is more than one student, that's super fun, because you get the socialization in as well.
Keena
And then most recently, I am starting to create lessons lesson plans for either a teacher or a parent to use with that student or their child. And I'm really loving that piece of it. Because oftentimes, I see a student maybe one on one for one or two times a week. But it's just the content becomes more generalized and can sink in more if somebody else is maybe doing it another time or two during the week.
Keena
So kind of creating those lessons plans for other people to deliver has been a new development in my business, and I'm really loving. Yeah, so it's going really well. And I'm super happy that I started it a few months ago, and I'm able to now this is all I'm doing right now. And I'm supporting myself.
Keena
Yeah, yeah, it's it was it's been, you know, a little surprising. Like, this is great. I don't know why I didn't do this sooner.
Lily
Totally. Yeah, I love that you're building this business. I love the adaptive novels, which is something that I didn't really know about before working with you, and seeing how that could be really supportive for kids. And I love how it's personalized to them.
Lily
And I also really love that when you're talking, you know about adding that new piece of the curriculum part that that and we've talked about this is something where you don't have to be on all the time with kids, it's like it's a model to have it be online classes.
Lily
But it's also can be so exhausting if that's all you do, all day, every day. So I love that not only for being helpful for kids and families and teachers, but also for you to be able to kind of mix it up.
Keena
Yeah, I love that piece also, because it really can be exhausting to be on all the time, especially me, I definitely identify as an introvert. And so it's really helpful to definitely have that other piece to offer. Because yeah, there, there's only so many sessions I can be live for. Before it's a little bit too much. So it is another avenue.
Keena
And I do feel like thank you for the support with the adaptive novels. I love doing that, too. That's one of my huge passions and, and I do feel like it's needed. So it also creates space for me to be able to kind of work on that project as well.
Lily
Yes, totally. And I also love like, I feel like most teachers have something where you're like, Oh, I wish I could just do this all the time. And we can talk ourselves out of it, like, oh, maybe I don't know if people buy it, or I don't know if other people need it. And I love that. It's like, that's your thing.
Lily
And we might not be what you're doing all day, every day right now, but it's like being able to go into that and really use that thing that you love to help other people. It's so cool.
Keena
Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I really feel lucky to have this opportunity. And, and it did stem from the work that I was doing with the autistic students in this one school. And I also went back to school at that time and and studied literacy. And I did a lot of research while I was creating some of these novels, and a lot of the research kind of informed what I create now. So that feels like you know, it's really it really is effective.
Keena
And it's motivating for me because people with autism are so different. So one person with autism might have some sort of challenge in one area, and then another one doesn't. There's this meaning that if you've met one person with autism, you've met one person with autism.
Keena
So that's another, another thing that I like to do is like, get to know people see what would be helpful and then kind of create it. Yeah. And it's really satisfying for me. So I'm super grateful. And it's so rewarding when I can work with a student and their understanding a piece of a novel that may have been missed otherwise.
Lily
Totally. I know, it's a cool combination, too. Because there are oftentimes people who are like, I want to do this curriculum thing. And I'm going to put it outside and out in the world. But then you have these actual students that you're working with. And you can do the curriculum thing with them and really see how it goes and make it personal. Totally. It was really cool to have that kind of built in test audience almost.
Keena
Right. Exactly. Yeah, it is. It flows really nicely. Definitely very complimentary work.
Lily
Yes. Awesome. So tell us I know, you mentioned like you really enjoy the online lessons. But how do you kind of plan an online lesson to keep students engaged, especially if like, most of them, a lot of your students are doing this after school, they might be tired.
Keena
Right, so I love educational technology. So I try to experiment with a lot of different platforms get to know a lot of different platforms that I implement them within the sessions, because I feel like it's a really engaging way for students to interact with whatever you're presenting.
Keena
So usually, I'll create a lesson plan and I keep in mind, the learning profile of the student. And I think about like their strongest intelligences or whatever modalities that compliments their style. And then, yeah, I take their goals, their individual goals in mind, and then it depends on really the student.
Keena
So if the student is a super concrete thinker, then I'm trying to make my lesson concrete. And if it's a certain student who loves like, I recently wrote a blog about students who really liked minor details, as opposed to like the major details and a text and just how cool it would be if there were like, autistic editors. And their job was to like, go into a text and implant these like juicy minor details.
Keena
Because there's so much research out there about the reader needing to be able to see themselves in a certain text. So I feel like that's missing in a lot of a lot of literature out there for autistic students. And there's, you know, many different ways that we can include this population in some of the literature. And that's basically what I'm trying to do in my lessons, just like include them, talk to them with their strengths in mind.
Keena
A lot of my students are visual learners. So I try to make all of my lessons with so many visuals. And I tried to implant humor, and a lot of it too. So like getting to know what might make a certain student laugh, because that's going to help the content stick. If they're emotionally invested, there's something that will just click and make it land more.
Keena
And I'm always thinking about, like, how can I add problem solving into my lessons? Because that's another way that's going to have them build the critical thinking and have it just make more sense and have it be more interactive. So there's a lot of like breaking down of concepts and just building on it in kind of these different ways.
Keena
But I love the fact that the online learning, there's so many great things about it, the platform's but it's also there's one place to look, you know, it's so much less distracting. I just tried to you know, think about engagement, engagement interests.
Keena
Because sometimes I'll have an hour long session with one student and yeah, I just don't want them to be bored. I want them to be like totally fascinated with learning. That's how I tried to think about it.
Lily
That's awesome. And would you say the majority of your students that you work with now have autism? Or do you work with all different students?
Keena
The majority of the students right now that I work with have autism, I feel like they're my soul mates. And I just really, I just love them. And I have a lot of I have some other students that are not autistic, and they're amazing. And I am using more of a the science of reading type curriculum for certain students who may be struggling with reading or that sort of thing. But yeah, most of my students have autism, and they're just amazing.
Lily
That's awesome. I love especially what you were saying about just like creating a space where students can see themselves reflected. Yeah, these materials for these particular kids that you're working for, and they already, you know, ideally would have that personalized education. And it's so meaningful and rewarding to provide that for people.
Keena
Yeah. And I feel like that's what's missing in, that's one of the huge pieces that I could not figure out as a teacher in a classroom full of students, you know, that I really wanted to personalize everything, and there's just not enough hours in the day or energy that I have to do that. And I don't know what the solution is for that.
Keena
But it's, for me really rewarding to be able to finally be able to do that, you know, and I feel like that's the key to having students really, you know, reach the heights that they're capable of, because it's just so much more interesting, and, and fascinating.
Keena
And you can kind of just keep them in mind with everything that you're doing. And then otherwise, it's just, I think, a lot easier to be distracted and disengaged. And then, you know, it's just not ideal.
Lily
Yes, absolutely. Yeah. One of the things like since becoming a parent that I really realized, like when my kids went to school, is that the biggest thing that I am hoping they get from their teachers, just people who see them, you know, that really just like being seen as they are like, exactly who you are, right? Such an amazing thing.
Lily
And it's like, personalized education takes it one step further, right, we have to actually see kids for like the many faceted human beings that they are and create things that match that and isn't all that and I felt super frustrated by that as a teacher too of just like, oh, no, this is what these kids need and deserve.
Lily
But like, how do I do this as one person with all these other things going on all these kids in my class? So it's so cool to hear about how you've made that work.
Keena
Thank you, Lily. Yeah, I couldn't agree more. I love being able to see the student that's a goodness said that better myself. And as a teacher, you know, on the flip side, because you're the parent, and that's what you're looking for in the in your child's teacher. And yeah, I remember feeling that way, as a teacher of just I wanting to give that to the student and to the parent, you know, and just like sometimes not being able to.
Lily
Yeah, and not being able to personalize things as best I want to do. Right, exactly. Like this kid really needs a quiet room right now. But how do you do that? That was so hard to just be like, I know what you need, but I just can't give it to you. And it's totally not the teacher's fault. It's just the way things are set up.
Keena
Right. And that's one of the reasons why I love online too, because I have a lot of students with different sensory needs in one room, just like you're saying, and it's really comforting for the student to be able to control their environment.
Keena
You know, when they're learning from home, they get to make it dim or make it bright, or make it quiet or make it loud or yeah, do whatever with the temperature. There's just so much there that is just so much more accommodating. And when the student is comfortable and regulated, they're definitely going to be able to learn more.
Lily
Yes, totally. Okay, well, let's shift gears a little bit, want to also get into kind of what you've learned from starting a business. I know for me for basically everybody, I feel like who starts a business, whether they've been teacher or something else before. It's a big learning curve. So what did you learn, what surprised you? I know, we're always you know, learning in the process, but if you can share how it's gone so far.
Keena
Sure. A lot has been surprising. It's been overwhelming. And your classes have really helped me to focus on one thing at a time, I really needed that. And I still obviously I need that because the amount of business pieces to running a business, although that shouldn't be surprising is still surprising.
Keena
And that that wasn't my major. I don't know anything about business. I know how to write lessons and teach, but I don't know, you know, marketing or there's just so much.
Keena
So, yeah, that's been surprising, but also another area for me to be creative. So when I have the direction and the guidance and the focus, it's just kind of fun to shift gears and learn something else. I feel really grateful that I love to learn and I'm sure a lot of educators are lifelong learners.
Keena
But it's it's nice for me to be able to exercise different muscles, you know, and kind of just learn this new way of operating in the world to go from a teacher to you know, a teacher and business owner and itt's empowering and it's amazing.
Keena
And something that is also surprising is that I feel like I'm working a lot. But it's like, I'm controlling it. And it's for my business, you know, and I feel like, there's just a lot more empowered, I feel empowered, as opposed to when I worked a lot in a school, I just felt kind of discouraged and drained. And, and I wasn't getting paid for the extra work, you know, so there's just so much there.
Keena
I feel like it's been invaluable to have a community, the Educator Forever network has really been transformative. Because otherwise, I feel like I just would have been so overwhelmed that I might have ditched this effort.
Lily
That's, I mean, not awesome that you would have ditched it, but that's what we want from the network.
Keena
Yeah, no, totally. And I because because there is a lot, but like, you break it down into sizable chunks that makes it like fun to do instead of like, Ah. I also just having the community to check in with and be accountable to, because I know that I showed up to some meetings in the classes where, you know, sometimes I had like, not great news, like things weren't going that well.
Keena
And then sometimes I had like celebrations, and we all were that way. And it was nice to be able to like just have a support community, in that regard.
Keena
And be around people who are trying to do the same thing is really important. There's other areas of my life that I'm in a network of people trying to do the same thing, you know, and it's just like, yeah, that connection with others, and, like similar goals has been invaluable.
Lily
Yay. Yes. I'm so glad. I mean, that's truly why I created all the things because I'm like, Yeah, I feel like I didn't have that when I first started out, you know, like, I was trying to be like, oh, like, what can I learn about business, but it wasn't like from educators, right?
Lily
Like creating a space where we can all learn together and just normalize that, like, it is hard to start your own business. It is hard to work outside of the classroom and to take those leaps, but it's totally possible.
Lily
Yeah, we all have those moments of being like, Oh, maybe I won't know. And you're, like, you're saying like, some weeks, you know, somebody would come into the accelerator, being like, oh, you know, I'm not making as much progress as I want to do. And then the next week be like, Oh, I got three clients.
Lily
And I was matched to you where you're having like a down week, then you see one of your, like, colleagues having an up week, it's like, All right, we like ride it out. And it kind of all the things.
Keena
Really it really does. And also, it's helpful to have that reflection piece of like, oh, yeah, like things were going bad last week, I forgot that they were Yeah. Now things have turned around. So it's also like a really great space to just kind of reflect on what's going on.
Keena
Like we were talking about kind of earlier with the students being able to like, have a space to reflect in and have that kind of, yeah, I think reflecting is really powerful of what is happening. And let me pause and process that and then develop next steps.
Lily
Mm hmm. Totally. And I think it's like being a teacher, like, I never had the chance to reflect right, like, it's always yours go, go go. I mean, I think not very many people are actually good at reflection. Kt kind of goes back to what you were saying about resting, right and integrating. Like, that's just not something that like, is a practice for many people, right?
Lily
And so I think that building it in intentionally when you're like, Okay, I'm gonna come to this thing. Group call, and we're all gonna do it together. It's like, when we actually get it done. Whereas I mean, same for me, like, if I'm like, Oh, I'm scheduling reflection by myself. It's like, oh, maybe I'll finish writing this email. But it's so important to have that part too.
Keena
Absolutely. It really is. And, yeah, I can't say enough about your program.
Lily
Thanks. That's very well, it's been awesome seeing your progress and all the great things that you've created. And I'd love to hear a little bit about where you see Keen Education going next.
Keena
Well, thank you. I think my goal is to, I want to always continue to be seeing students, but just building up the curriculum development and the adapted novels is really where I'd like to take it eventually. And to also build out the curriculum development for specific students to give to parents or teachers. I'm really excited by that.
Keena
And I recently read somebody somebody posted something about business, like their business is constantly changing, because they are and I love that because yes, I feel like that's what Keen Education is going to be. Because like I was saying, I love learning, I love growing, and I think that's what keeps me engaged in anything is, you know, development and what's the next step?
Keena
So I think it's going to probably constantly be not constantly but like, you know, it's going to be an evolution. And I'm excited about that I want to eventually do you know, an online, asynchronous course. But there's just not enough hours in the day, but so I have a lot of ideas, but someday, I'll do that too. And eventually, it would be great to have other teachers with me.
Lily
Totally, yeah, have your curriculum that other people can use and tailor to their particular students. Right? You train all the things, all the things I love that about, like, yeah, it's an adaptation, right? Like things go on, and we don't know, like, what road we're gonna go down, right? Like, the skills that you develop, helped make that work, right, where you're like, Alright, I got this, or this isn't working.
Lily
And it's like, I felt the same way about teaching kids. But it's like, having those skills is way more important than any content or like business plan, right? To be able to be like, I'm gonna get through this time, or I'm gonna pivot, or I'm gonna, like, take a risk, or I'm gonna, you know, lay low for a little or whatever it is, like, we develop those. And those are really what, like, help us get through.
Keena
Yeah, totally. And it reminds me of other areas in my life, where I just try to do what's in front of me take the next right step, and then see what happens. And then there's another next right step. And you know, all of a sudden, you're on a on a journey.
Lily
I need it to be though. I mean, I know we talked about this in the accelerator, but it's like we come in, you're like, I'm going to take six months to plan out my business before I ever even met a student. Right? That's not a good idea, right?
Lily
Like, six months to like, develop this curriculum without seeing students without trying anything out. Like, the better way is like, try it out and learn, and adjust and take actual people that you're working with and get data from them and make things
Keena
So true, highly effective. Terrible idea otherwise.
Lily
It's like a major procrastination strategy for many. Yeah, absolutely. Like, I'm just going to tweak this a little bit before putting it out there in the world, or before asking somebody to be a student or a client, or whatever it is, like endlessly tweaking, and it's like, you know, it's not gonna be perfect no matter what you do, and you don't even know what you don't know.
Keena
That's so true. And that is something that also surprised me recently, I put something out there. And I was really nervous to put it out there. And like, somebody responded, and it's gonna work out. Like, wow, you know, if I would have held on to that, and not push it forward, you know, I still would be sitting on it.
Lily
Like, then the possibility wouldn't have even been there. Exactly. Because they don't know it exists. Yeah. Do your part. Put it out there or whatever it is that you're right. Awesome.
Lily
Well, thank you so much for sharing with us, Keena. It's always such a pleasure to talk with you and hear about your business. Can you tell our listeners where they can find out more about you?
Keena
Oh, sure. Thank you. My website is www.keeneducation.study. And then I have my contact information on there or you can email me at keena@keeneducation.study as well.
Lily
Awesome. We'll put all the links and all the things in the show notes as well. Thank you so much Keena.
Lily
Thank you so much, Lily. It's such a pleasure.